Well,examples have been given.I guess we can agree to disagree.The only thing I can add at this point is that I don't believe the Hulk is a character who is capable of "holding back" (again I refer to "the creature is driven by rage").

I mean,I can't see the Hulk in his "primitive" mind thinking "Gee,this is taking a LOT of my strength.Maybe if I try harder this time,I might be able to give it a go."smiley: grin

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